Diskutiere Tinkerbell im Graupapageien Forum im Bereich Papageien; Dieses wird von Englisch mit http://www.google.com/language_tools?hl=de übersetzt, das Sie und Paste http://www.geocities.com/shanlung9 in das googletranslater auch kopieren können, also können Sie es auf Deutsch lesen. ...
- 21.12.2004, 12:18 #1
übersetzt, das Sie und Paste http://www.geocities.com/shanlung9 in das googletranslater auch kopieren können, also können Sie es auf Deutsch lesen.
Es gibt immer Gefahren und Nutzen in alles, das wir. Sport wie das Felsenklettern und Scubatauchen ist ohne das rechte Wissen und das Training sehr gefährlich. Aber, selbst wenn man nicht das Felsenklettern oder Scubatauchen tut, können wir andere, an diesem Sport aufzupassen genießen. Sie können gerade gehen, einige der Fotos von Tinkerbell im Flug zu genießen, während sie mit uns in den Bergen erlischt und Wälder von Taiwan
Tinkerbell an Chipeng2 http://community.webshots.com/album/196810241XpbimG
Tinkerbell bei Kenting http://community.webshots.com/album/147375155liaHcd
Tinkerbell in Taroko
http://community.webshots.com/album/183161569sNswbU, nachdem Sie jene Fotos sehen, Sie entscheiden können, wenn die Gefahr des Verwendens eines gut entworfenen Kabelstranges und der Linie den Nutzen zum Vogel und zu sich wertIST.
Einen Vogel herauszunehmen der Fliege ohne das Training und das Wissen und gut die entworfene Ausrüstung ist zum Vogel gefährlich. Ihr Vogel muß unterrichtet werden, daß clickertraining also -sie mit Ihrem Vogel abbinden. Ihr Vogel muß unterrichtet werden, daß Rückruf also sie zu Ihnen zurückkommen. Ihr Vogel muß in grossen umfaßten Bereich geflogen werden viele Male und erfolgreich zurückgerufen worden zu Ihnen vor Ihnen sogar denken Sie an das Verwenden des Kabelstranges und zeichnen Sie Sie muß Ihren Vogel lieben und mit ihr geduldig sein. Der Kabelstrang und die Linie müssen als Sicherheitsausrüstung angesehen werden, um zu verhindern, daß der Vogel weg fliegt, wenn sie plötzlich erschrocken werden. Der Kabelstrang und die Linie dürfen nicht als etwas angesehen werden, Ihren Vogel an Sie zu binden. Sie sollten alle lesen, die ich zur Entdeckung den Fehlern schrieb, daß ich bildete, also Sie nicht, brauchen jene gleichen Fehler zu erleiden. Wenn Leute gegen das Verwenden des Kabelstranges und des Fliegens warnen, finden Sie bitte, wenn sie diese Erfahrung und Wissen haben. Haben sie versuchten überhaupt daß selbst und sie kennen wirklich die betroffenen Gefahren. Wenn jene Leute sie nicht getan und nicht wissen haben, über was sie sprechen, möchten Sie zu ihnen hören? Oder Sie können meine Fotos sehen und meine Erfahrungen lesen und sie für Sie und Ihre Vögel verwenden. Sie ist, damit Sie entscheiden und ich respektiere Ihre Wahl.
This is translated from English using
You can also copy and paste http://www.geocities.com/shanlung9 into the google translater so you can read it in German.
There are always risks and benefits in everything that we do. Sports like rock climbing and scuba diving will be very dangerous without the right knowledge and training. But even if one does not do rock climbing or scuba diving, we can enjoy watching others at that sport. You can just go to enjoy some of the photos of Tinkerbell in flight as she goes out with us in the mountains and forests of Taiwan
Tinkerbell at Chipeng2
Tinkerbell at Kenting
Tinkerbell in Taroko
After you see those photos, you can decide if the risk of using a well designed harness and line is worth the benefits to both the bird and yourself.
Taking a bird out to fly without the training and knowledge and well designed equipment is dangerous to the bird.
Your bird must be taught clicker training so you bond with your bird.
Your bird must be taught recall so she comes back to you.
Your bird must be flown in big covered area many times and recalled successfully to you before you even think of using harness and line
You must love your bird and be patient with her.
The harness and line must be regarded as safety equipment to prevent the bird from flying away when suddenly frightened. The harness and line must not be regarded as something to tie your bird to you.
You should read all that I wrote to find the mistakes that I made so you need not suffer those same mistakes.
If people warn against using harness and flying, please find if they have that experience and knowledge. Have they ever tried that themselves and do they truly know the dangers involved.
If those people have not done it and do not know what they talk about, do you want to listen to them?
Or you can see my photos and read my experiences and use them for you and your birds.
It is for you to decide and I respect your choice.
http://www.geocities.com/shanlung9können, also können Sie es auf Deutsch lesen.
- 04.01.2005, 15:05 #2
- 24.01.2005, 15:12 #3
- 03.02.2005, 04:14 #4
Diese Fotographie ist ein Teil der Reihe unten
Was mir geschrieben werde, ist für altavista Übersetzer zu kompliziert. Ich bin traurig, auf englisch zu schreiben.
Ich hoffe, daß ich nicht niemand beleidige, indem ich hier auf englisch schreibe.
What I am written is too complex for altavista translator. I am sorry to write in English.
I hope I do not offend anyone by writing here in English.
What I have done can be done by you and others.
I have been writing for years in the English language parrot world. You can see that from the letters in the webpage.
Recently, I reach out to other parrot lovers who may not use English. It is not easy to use translator. But when I need to talk in Spanish, French, German,Russian, Chinese, and Japanese, I am happy I have a translator. They are all reading on Tinkerbell just as you are right now.
What I do with Tinkerbell is dangerous and must be done very cautiously.
Tinkerbell goes out with me all the time, almost everyday, in her harness I designed after finding that those commercially obtained from the net are so terrible in their basic fundamental design.
Or again, there may be designed for clipped parrots but even then, they have fatal flaws in their design.
Tinkerbell was about 4-5 months old when she came to me. She stayed with me for about 3 years.
I made it a point to document all the training and mistakes I made so you never need to make those mistakes.
I rather believe that good training and bonding must eventually replace the clipping of wings on all our birds.
The relationship between me and Tinkerbell have been one of equal standing even if she thinks she is superior to me. If you decide that you are ' the one to be obeyed' and they are 'the one that must obey you', you set the tone that your relationship with them will never be one of friendship. The warmness of a richer relationship will never be yours ever to follow.
Can you ever be close friend to a guy that demand your abject obeyance and treat him as alpha at all times? And discipline you should you fail?
You know that you get what you put in, such as sport or golf or darts. That is between you and an inanimate object. How much more it will be when that object is an incredibly intelligent creature such as your bird who can and will respond and build up on the relationship that you are reaching out to him/her (I never can call animals it).
I used clicker training on Tinkerbell and on my cat and ferret. I thought I was great until I met on the internet a 14 year old boy who told us that he uses clicker training to train his gold fish to do tricks. (Instead of clicker, he uses a light to shine)
And before you think I am that superb, let me assure you all that there is one man I met in Taiwan that I felt my efforts were so pathetic in comparison to and who made me feel so humble and ended up very good friends. Our evening partings are normally with me staggering in a drunken state back to my hotel room.
You can read all about him in my written encounters with the
TsaoLing Bird Whisperer (a man who talk with birds). Read about him before you want to praise my efforts too much.
Unfortunately, his methods are not transferable to me or to you as we are mere mortals. What I wrote have been snapshots of those moments. I met him three times. To understand fully the extent of that Bird
Whisperer of Tsaoling, read my initial meeting with him, then the Tsaoling BW revisited and Tsaoling 2 bottles of Drambuie. You can see within the short time span of my visits, he trained additional wild birds to be at his beck and call.
Some other readers felt that I wrote rather mystically of my methods. To me it is nothing mystical, and more a different outlook and mindset. What I have done can be done by you. WHat that Tsaoling BW does is beyond my comprehension all together.
As to what tricks Tinkerbell does, I really do not know. You see, the tricks I taught him was accidental, coming about more from an effort to keep her mentally challenged to retain her interests. I touched on that now and then in the letters as and when they occured as I never did classified that as tricks.
I was one of the earlier members of free flight group, a group of parrot lovers who consider allowing parrots to fly at home. Two years ago, I was the first who searched for a huge empty office space to take Tinkerbell out of just the small house environment to let her fly and documented that (and my mistakes) for the general public. Two years later, other members of that freeflight group (already leaders of all that want to have flighted parrots) decided to do that as well.
While we need the guidance of others, there come a time when one must strike out on your own. During a long ride up the Taiwan mountains after my disasterous totally free flight attempt with Tink, I decided I needed to take a new road where our fids can join us on harness. I did not realise I was going to be the pioneer as well. That is good and bad. I needed to clear more misconceptions than I ever imagined. People who never flown parrots or used harnesses (I suspect they never know what is a harness) seemed to be a much better expert on what they do not know. I feel sorry for them.
We need to expose our parrot to new conditions, strong shifty winds, let them know what is flying high and flying from high to low, impossible to duplicate in enclosed areas. That is when I parted from freeflight group. Now two years later, many of them agree with me now. With a good proper harness, Tinkerbell comes out with me almost everyday and get exposed and familiarised with all different conditions. After the initial jitteriness, she showed she relished new changes. You can see for yourself the series of photos as we rode through towns and forests and the way she looked at the surroundings. She flew with me in force 7 conditions when I had to lean into the wind. She saw the sun and clouds and the stars and twinkling fire flies with me at night. Deep in the forests or on the mountain tops where one can look and see forever in the distance. What that does to her mind, you will agree is a lot more than if she sees only the four walls of the apartment.
I wrote a lot on the training, how to do the training in the emails/articles in the webpage. I was just re-reading the introduction I wrote in that webpage. That contains so much more of the fundamentals as they were so much more immediate to me that time then now, and essential even before you think of starting clicker training.
For me to talk on those matters now, I can at best only gloss over them and the essential details may well be overlooked and left out by me now. It is in your best interests to read those earlier letters. Some are much shorter than the intro. But then some are much longer.
Of course, if you want to raise any points of what I have written and if I can answer, I will do my best.
If you find http://www.geocities.com/shanlung9 to be interesting and useful, please send it on to your friends who may be interested.
- 04.02.2005, 16:50 #5
To all my friends across the world.
There are two main groups. The first group are those
that I was writing to when I was with Tinkerbell and
who knew me for years. The other group are my recent
friends including non-English speaking friends from
Russia, Germany, France, Spain, Japan, and Chinese
from Taiwan and China. This email will be going to
both groups. For the sake of translation, I will try
to keep my sentences short.
To that first group, I must say sorry for having left
you in silence for such a long time. I have found it
too painful to write to you after my separation from
I did write again to let you people know I was safe
during the tsunami on 12/26. I thank you all for
writing and I read all the letters even though I did
not answer at that time.
Let me make amends now and you may understand better
why I was silent.
My contract in Taiwan came to an end on 14 Oct 2004
and I had to leave Tinkerbell with my Taiwanese friend
and his family. I still hope to be back in Taiwan
again even as the plane brought me and my wife to
As to how much animals bond with humans, I have to
tell you of Ivan my cat. Ivan was a kitten in 1997
when he was rescued to live with us in Hong Kong. I
have mentioned in a group that Ivan appeared to be
psychic. You may like to read of that in
In those days, they did not have the scare of avian
flu or new diseases. When we had to return to
Singapore, it was easy enough to bring Ivan back with
us. Ivan did not join us when we went to Taiwan as we
did not wish to suhject him to a 3 month quarantine.
I do love Ivan very much.
Ivan was kept by my mother-in-law in a big enclosure
with other cats. In the brief sporadic visits back,
Ivan seemed to ignore me.
A few days after we got back to our apartment in
Singapore, Ivan was brought back to me by Joy's
mother. After 4 years of being apart from me, I
thought he may have forgotten me.
I first heard him screaming and calling from his
carrier cage as he was brought to the apartment. When
the cage door was opened, Ivan came out, look very
intensely at me and screamed and meowed even louder
for at least a minute.
Ivan then looked away from me to the nearby table and
was quiet. I thought that with all that strange
screaming, perhaps he remembered me after all. I was a
bit disappointed that he did not purr and do his
figure of 8 curling and rubbing on my ankles.
What he did next was something he never did before.
Ivan jumped up to the table next to me and leapt
immediately up from the table to my shoulder. He then
curled himself around my neck, and continued that
screaming right into my ear while rubbing and rubbing
his head on my cheek and ear. He remained on my
shoulder and refused to be taken off.
http://community.webshots.com/user/shimmertje in the
When I had to leave Tinkerbell, some of you wrote to
assure me she will remember me. After this
demonstration from Ivan, I do know for sure that none
of the animals that we are close to will ever forget
us. I was tremendously touched by Ivan.
As I do not feel Singapore to be a place I can call my
home even though I was born here. It claimed to be
democratic having regular elections. Elections are
also regularly hold in pre Saddam Iraq, North Korea
and Cuba. Many people here do not wish to ever retire
in Singapore. I share such sentiments. But now as
Singapore will not allow me to bring back Tinkerbell,
this place will never be my home.
In mid Nov, I was so delighted to receive a phone call
from Taipei to be prepared to return to Taiwan on a
new contract. I wanted nothing more in my life than
that. I was already thinking of chapter 2 with
Tinkerbell and how to write and let you all know. But
a week after that phone call, I was told the contract
price was arbitarily cut and that cut fell on my
That was painful. For a couple of weeks after that, I
was in a daze.
Life have to go on.I thought of going for a scuba
diving holiday in Thailand and then on to Laos. (I am
a qualified PADI Rescue Diver).
A childhood friend was planning to go to Kuching,
Borneo and wanted me and Joy to join him there.
When I was in Taiwan, I have seen many small orang
hutans (this is a malay term translating directly to
man forest) kept in tiny cages in restaurants to
attract customers. I have wanted to see them in the
wilds. When in Taiwan, I also saw the Rhinocerous
Hornbills in a park with their wings clipped. Those
are big and beautiful birds that I also wanted to see.
With the strong persuasion from my good friend, I
changed my plans and was in Borneo instead. That was
where I wrote to you from to let you know I was safe.
Joy and I went to the Semenggoh center for orang
This is an old center and all the orang hutans are
already released into the forest. However, they have
supplementary feedings at 9 am and 3 pm. If the orang
hutans cannot find sufficient food, they will turn up
for the supplementary feedings. We were told that
there may be a dozen or more.
In our first day at Semenggoh during the 3 pm feeding,
we saw a small orang hutan. She was high up in the
tree top slowly moving about. She did not come down.
I was happy even if I saw her at a distance. At least
this time it was in the wild. I seen too many of them
chained and caged and it felt majestic to see even one
orang hutan in the wild.
I sincerely hope that the other orang hutans
integrated themselves back into the wild. Semenggoh
center is surrounded by villages and plantations. Even
though that great ape is under total protection, it
may be possible that some may be killed.
I was disappointed on the hornbills. They are huge
birds with a beautiful horn.
I never expect to see them close. I kept my eyes and
ears for them. I was very disappointed not to see a
single hornbill. They were supposed to be very common
in Borneo. It is a tragedy if the hornbills are found
only in zoos.
We planned to go up river and deeper into the forests.
That was when we got news of the tsunami. Some of you
were worried enough to write directly to me when I
wrote to all the groups to let you know we were safe
All our plans changed after that. In the face of that
tragedy, I did not wish to continue with our travels.
You may like to see and read of that trip. My wife
Joy invites all of you to
Pictures of Kuching at
Account of the Kuching trip at
For a few weeks after that even after we returned to
Singapore, the news of tsunami and its victims kept me
on the CNN and BBC.
I read all the letters you wrote me that time and I am
touched. But I just could not reply at all. It was
still kind of painful to write to the groups I was in
for years. After looking at all those devastation and
the troubles of other people, my problems seem more
I decided to reach out to non English speaking parrot
lovers as I felt the lessons and knowledge I learned
may be appreciated by them as well. In my discussions
with them, I realised that while I wrote in detail,
that will not be sufficient for them to do what I have
done with Tinkerbell.
Over the next few weeks, I will be writing more.
I have stayed in touch with Mr Yu who is looking after
Tinkerbell in Taiwan. He also wrote to me after that
tsunami and I called him on the phone to let him know
we were safe, and to talk to Tink.
I last spoke to him a few days ago and to Tinkerbell
too. He told me Tinkerbell will get excited when he
talks to me. Then when the phone is given to her, she
will remain very still as she hears me. He send me
some photographs taken of her around mid January 2005.
You can see that in the folder below. Tinkerbell
still looks beautiful to me. You can see the state of
Tinkerbell and Yu family
Just two days ago, I was checking my camera and found
some photographs taken during my last few days in
Taiwan. I did not realise until I saw those
photographs that Joy caught the handover of Tinkerbell
to Mr Yu on that 13 Oct that I wrote about.
Tinkerbell - Last days and handover
There is another album that perhaps you may like to
see. I was at a friend's house recently. You may
like to see me with Black Palm and Moluccan cockatoos
and other parrots that he kept. I stayed clear of them
for a while to let them get used to me. I talked to
them. I then knew that they liked me. Luckily I was
right. They got huge beaks.
Friend's parrots and 2s
My friends, I will be going to Laos and Thailand over
the next two months. I rather be out of Singapore then
be in Singapore.
On Sunday 6 Feb, I will be flying off to Bangkok and
making my way into Laos. Eventually, in some internet
cafe somewhere, I will be reading all your letters to
me and continue my writings on the care and training.
- 10.02.2005, 15:38 #6
10 Feb. 05
From a cybercafe in VangVieng Laos. Just reached into
town this afternoon from Vientiene. Evening time now
after a nice stroll by and in a shallow river with
crystal clear water. The sight of the jagged Kartz
type of limestone hills just breathtaking across the
To all English and non English groups
Tinkerbell Legacy - Having a flying parrot - Ranting
I presume at this stage you do want to keep a flying
parrot at home with you. Even if you do have a
clipped parrot now, you are interested in this
Not all people will be able to keep flying parrots
with them at home. I am not speaking of making an
aviary outside the home. This is about keeping a
flying parrot with you at home. This is of supreme
importance to the bonding that you will make with her
and to the training that you will be doing together
I am speaking from my experiences with Tinkerbell. I
will refer her. This may not apply to your parrot.
Even if you have a Congo African Grey, the temperament
of parrots may be different. Their background and
history may be different requiring a different
approach. I hope my experiences may be of use to you.
The last couple of weeks, I have been trying to set up
a framework so I can write systematically.
Unfortunately, much of the topics are so inter
connected. I cannot write on one matter without
drawing from experiences from another matter. So I
give up and will just be writing free hand and without
structure. Let us see how it goes like. Your
suggestions warmly welcomed.
There are many articles in the Internet in addition to
what I have written as to why it is much better and
healthier that your parrot be allowed to fly.
You can use
http://www.shynefoundation.org/articles.html to start
You should also join the free flight group
You MUST know more about clicker training. I will
talk more on this later. You can get more information
from two very good groups on clicker training for
We need to be realistic with ourselves. What we are
doing is a long term approach as we come to terms with
living with a flying parrot. However, we do change
with time. What seems to be difficult to do in the
beginning will be a matter of routine later on.
Let us consider first the home environment.
The safety and the security of our parrots will be the
paramount importance. In this matter, I refer to both
clipped and unclipped birds. Too many people felt that
by clipping the wings, their parrots will not be able
to fly away. Even if the clipped parrot will not
normally fly, they have not seen what a frightened
parrot is capable of. If the parrot is badly
frightened, that parrot will fly out of the house.
You must ensure total security of the flight envelope
at home, the space that she is allowed to fly in.
That if she is allowed out of the cage that she is
normally kept in, she will not be able to get outside
When I was in Taiwan, mosquitoes give us a lot of
problems. All apartments I was living in, and all
apartments and houses that I visited have mosquito
screens covering all windows and external doors. I
presume if you are living in areas where diseases can
be spread by mosquitoes, it is in your interest that
you have your exterior perimeter of your house or
Do a safety check and ensure the sliding window screen
do not open. One morning I woke up to see a window
screen blown opened. I turned my head to see
Tinkerbell's cage door opened without Tinkerbell
inside (that was during the earlier days when she
slept in a locked cage). I nearly fainted thinking
Tinkerbell flown away until I noticed she was in a
corner of another room.
That screen was permanently sealed shut with duct
tapes to prevent it ever sliding open again. That was
done to all screens covering the window. I smoke at
home and it was important the screens must never be
opened as windows are left opened.
I also made all doors to be automatically self closing
with counterweights and strings and hooks.
I had no worries about the front door. The front door
open to a sealed corridor and lift lobby. But if the
front door open directly to outside, I would have hung
a curtian of linked chains that would automatically
prevent a bird from flying through. This linked chain
curtains can also be used to restrict your parrot from
flying into other rooms such as kitchen. Such
curtains must be used together with your close
observation of the bird.
If you can have a secure perimeter that your parrot
cannot fly away from you, you can keep a flying
parrot. For those with clipped parrots, this secure
perimeter is also very important for you.
It is a fallicy to assume your clipped parrot can only
glide and not fly. You never tested your clipped
parrot under spooked (intense fear) conditions. You
never know how much strength a spooked parrot is
capable of. I have seen that !
Within that flight area, you must check and ensure
that it is safe for your parrot. All toilet lids are
to be kept closed. Even better still is to ensure all
toilet and bathroom doors are always closed in
addition as well. You must get into the habit of
When cooking needs to be done with open pots of
boiling water, I place Tinkerbell back into the cage
until things are completed and the environment safe to
let her out again.
The most important factor is that you must have a
sense of humour. If you do not have a sense of humour
and can laugh at yourself, keeping a flying parrot
will become a nightmare for you. Our parrots have a
very wierd sense of humour. That can be very
enchanting and you will learn to laugh.
If you are those who need order and tidiness at home,
keeping a flying parrot at home will make you tolerate
and accept some disorder.
If you are untidy (like me), you will learn to be more
tidy and store things that must be stored to the best
of your ability.
You can take it as Gospel truth that you cannot make a
flying parrot ever to do what she do not wish to do.
The trick is to make the things that she likes to do
to be what you want her to do in the first place.
That training and how to live with a flying parrot in
the same home will be the next rantings.
- 12.02.2005, 14:32 #7
Tinkerbell Legacy - Having a flying parrot - Ranting
Started on evening 11 Feb 05 in cybercafe somewhere in
Yesterday when I got here, I moved into the most
expensive place because I was tired and liked some
luxury. It cost 22USD, and worth 3 times more.
Today feeling a lot better, I moved into a 4 USD
lovely local kind of bungalow deciding to be closer to
nature and just across the river and 700 meters
further from town. Crossed by a bamboo and plank
bridge and about 80 meters long and wobbles when you
walked on it.
Then this evening in my room that I suddenly thought
of the absence of TV and BBC and CNN. A crescendo of
sounds hit me from outside the hut. At least 6
different kind of frog calls tried to compete with 2
geckos and lots of insect calls.
Cost by being close to nature is that to reach the
internet cafe, I got to walk lighted up by the tinest
crescent of moon and lights from all the stars. Yes,
the bridge gets more wobbly at night.
Rented a motorbike for 5 usd to ride around a bit.
Vang Vieng area is charming, rustic and more beautiful
than I thought. I think I will stay on a few more
Then in the evening when hack in town, saw a local pet
parrot with wings clipped and hanging out on a string
of fairy lights around a short column. She is small,
looks like a ringneck but the head is purplish with a
green body. Tail was badly plucked. This must be a
local Laotian parrot.
She moved away from me as I approached. So I bought a
banana pancake, stood next the the parrot and started
to eat. She came down and was fed bits of banana and
pancake. She then allowed me to give her head rubs
and beak rubs.
She ate her fill and then moved up out of my reach.
And here I am in another cybercafe to continue.
Tinkerbell Legacy - Having a flying parrot - Ranting
If there are some areas in your mutual living space
that you do not like her to go to, you need to create
areas that you like her to go to and that she likes
Within the flight area at home, you should provide for
several perches and areas that she can play in. That
will be the areas that she will normally do her toilet
in. I had a parrot tower. There are perches I made
for her. I placed rattan baskets with iron chains to
weigh the basket down. The perch she loved the most
was the very wobbly rattan cirle suspended by a rope.
She would fly off this perch making it spin and land
back on the spinning circle. It is strange the first
and cheapest simplest perch I made for her was the one
she most loved.
If you have to chase her away, there must be a few
places she can fly off to. You also train into her to
fly to those alternate areas on cue. I talk on this
after I get into clicker training.
Then, if necessary, divert her away from some areas
that you do not want her to go to.
You must have bought some toys that she absolutely
hated and kept that away. Rejoice in your good
fortune. Those same toys will act as voodoo charm to
ward her away from places she should not go to. I had
a rotating floor mounted fan that she went to once. It
was totally grilled but she shitted. I did not wanted
a second time.
One of the doll she feared was placed on that fan. A
little stuffed cartoon dinosaur kept Tinkerbell away.
Little candy stripped hula hoops, little sashimi
bamboo roll mats were placed at forbiddened areas.
If eventually she got over her fear, you just have to
find new things that she does not like to keep her
away from those areas.
Continued 12 Feb
There may be some areas that you tolerate her to be
on. Sometimes when you have the energy, you chase her
away from those areas. Sometimes, you pretend that you
did not see her there.
Please do not misunderstand that the parrot is always
trying to go to forbidden places. Most of the time,
she remained at her play areas. She may fly from one
to another play areas. In most cases, she will fly to
me when I call (recall training after I talk on
clicker training). She may decide to fly to me even
though not called. I try to be tolerant of that. If
she is your friend, is it not all right for her to
come to you when she felt like it? Is your friend
only able to get to you only when you want her to come
I allow her to come. I talk with her for a while ,
scratch her head and then ask her to fly away if I am
busy. If I am not busy and can postpone whatever I do
until later, I will play with her and allow her on my
shoulder to watch what I am doing (allowing on
shoulder is a subject to be trained for, in another
If she kept returning and I am very busy, she gets put
back into the cage until I am free.
She is not 24 hours out of the cage and flying about
all the time.
In the morning, we spend about an hour together before
I go to the office. She then goes into the cage. Now
and then, my wife let her out for a while. She stayed
in the cage most of the day. After work when I get
back, she is again out of the cage, with the door
opened so she can go in and out as she wanted.
Normally, she will then go out with me and my wife to
the park or nearby school to fly in her harness for a
while. Should we go out for dinner, she joined us
most of the time.
Then back in the apartment, there will be some
training and play with her. Sometimes I choose the
time. Sometimes she choose the time.
Then at about 1030pm to 11 pm, I dim the lights
indicating that she fly to her bedroom. She liked to
sleep in my bookshelf which I screened off. When she
go to sleep, I can cover that bookshelf and switched
on the lights again.
She remained in her bedroom bookshelf until she woke
up in the morning. She never shit in her bedroom.
The truly dangerous areas were made safe. The flight
area is not 100% safe. There are some electic wires
and cables about. She never seemed to go there. Most
of the time, she was watched as a compromise.
One very important point is that she did not know how
to fly when she first came to me. In the first two
weeks, I trained and trained her in 'step up' for her
to step up on my finger. If your parrot does not step
up for you on your finger, you should not consider
letting her fly yet and fly in the house. Tinkerbell
was also trained to step up on a stick.
This is so important that you should not demean the
'step up' in form of punishment to her. You should
not repeatedly make her do step up to punish her.
Your parrot must be trained to understand 'NO'. She
will understand, but may not respect that all the
time. More will be said later under training and
after I describe what I perceive of their psychology.
As a friend to a friend, there are acceptable and
unacceptable behaviours that you can expect from your
If you do catch her in an unacceptable act, you MUST
not allow that and you must scold her immediately,
ONLY IF YOU CATCH HER IN THE ACT. If you do not see
her in the act and only saw the results later, DO NOT
SCOLD HER AT ALL.
If you are afraid of your parrot, she should not be
allowed to fly yet. A respect for her beak is
acceptable, but if you are afraid, that parrot must
not fly until you trained her enough AND no longer
afraid of her. More of this later on.
- 24.02.2005, 14:23 #8
I am in Luang Prabang now and the Internet connection
is much better here with faster computers. I have
experimented with Blogging. For those interested in
my travels, please follow the blog below
You can see the little parrot I talked about in
VangVieng to be a Finsch Slaty headed parakeet that
Roberta Kendall helped indentified.
I will update the blog which will contain all my
rants. So if you do not hear from me as may often be
the case, go to my blog and feel free to add your
thoughts and comments.
Tinkerbell Legacy - Living with a flying parrot - Rant
After a couple of lazy days, I spend today on a couple
of small tours.
The first tour was a trip by boat up the Mekong river
to Pak Ou cave 2 hours upstream with a lot of Buddhas
in the complex. The river ride passed by largely
forested mountains on both sides of the Mekong river.
A couple of stops were made in local villages, one
village specialised in making rice wine and the other
in making paper.
In the afternoon, a minivan brought a bunch of us to a
Kuangsi waterfall. We reached there after an hour on
unpaved track. A tiger cub was rescued from poachers
in 1999 and she lived there in an enclosure since
then. I spend half an hour looking at her and thinking
nice thoughts to her before I continued to the
waterfall itself. It is a pretty waterfall. From about
100 meters up, the river split and divide itself into
a series of tiered cascades marching down to the
turquoise plunge pool. After that, the water spread
out in a series of pooled terraces disappearing in the
I got back into town and decided to continue with
Tinkerbell Legacy - Living with a flying parrot - Rant
Psychology and temperament of a parrot
You are aware that parrots are so individual and may
have different behaviour altogether. In this part, I
refer to Tinkerbell. If we are to talk about training
and living together, it helps if we know the mind of
1. Intelligience and sense of fair play.
Her intelligience is staggering to me. Because she
flew about with me and interacts with me, there are
many incidents which indicate her intelligence to the
extent I must conclude that they are sentient as well.
My earlier letters mentioned the way she understood
the harness arrangements and the way she indicate to
me how I need to improve that design. One day, I saw
one of the two leash loop (the 9 inch long loops from
the harness) to be out of the hook and the other leash
loop inserted into the second hook (line hook). I
thought that was a wierd mistake from my part until
one day she (Tinkerbell at pavilion beyond Dragon Eye)
took that off completely after she was extremely angry
at me. I then realised that she must have got the two
loops completely off and did not let me know. She was
in the process of inserting the loop back but she used
the wrong hook.
I can talk of the uncanny choice of words in the right
context when she talked with me.
Even though she was trained to fly to me on cue and I
mentioned I thought her "step up" from the beginning,
that was conditional only. My son came to stay with us
for a few weeks. Tinkerbell never flew or go to him.
At home, I called Tinkerbell to fly to me. When she
was on my shoulder, I cued her to step up and I moved
to try to hand her to my son. She flew off back to my
shoulder. I then asked her to step up and turned to my
son. She flew off immediately to a nearby perch. I
walked over to her as she refused to fly to me on cue
and asked her to step up. She stepped up on my hand
and when I turned to my son, she flew off immediately.
She refused even to step up after that and flew to
another room. I never tried to make her go to my son
I have a squirter gun that I use to reinforce "NO"
requests to her. The unwritten code is that if she
stopped doing the misdeeds, I cannot shoot at her. She
was biting off the buttons from a shirt. I said "NO",
took the gun and pointed at her and she nicely stop
chewing and was on the verge of flying back to her
perch. I was feeling wicked and I pull the trigger
giving her a jet of water. She looked at me as if in
shock and she flew to my shoulder. Now, I mentioned
she normally will go to her designated places to shit.
That was taught to her by praising her when she did so
at her perches. If she shit elsewhere and we caught
her in the act, she will be scolded. In that way, she
was toilet trained and she knew we do not like her
She felt an injustice was done to her. On flying to my
shoulder, she shat on me. I felt relieved as I was
feeling guilty at firing at her. She then immediately
flew away to my other shoulder and repeated that act ,
flew off and hover in front of me looking at me before
going to her perch and preen. I felt so ashamed that I
had to apologise to her. I never crossed that line
When we go out with her in her harness, I mentioned
very often that never should the harness and leash be
used to drag her or even to 'urge' her in coming to
you. If she did not want to take off and fly to me, I
would walk back to her, talked to her and changed the
position to try again.
But sometimes when there was a crowd, it was so
tempting to pull. When I did that, she deliberately
took off, aimed at a treee, and flew around the trunk
twice. She did that deliberately as the line did not
even touch the tree trunk until her second loop around
the trunk. She then was brought short by the line and
she went round and round and round after that. At
other times, she knew the obstacles and she understood
enough of the line and would fly to avoid them. She
knew the difference between deliberate pulling and
accidents. Sometimes when I walked away laying the
line, I tripped or the reel snagged and she was pulled
from the perch. In all those cases, she would fly over
to my shoulder.
Food treats are an important component of any
training. However, it will be a big mistake if we
think that our parrot are greedy Pavlovian robots.
They do like intelligent training so that they can be
with you doing things that both liked. I used to
reward Tinkerbell with sunflower seeds all the time
when she came to me on recall. Until one day, after
she flew to me, she took the sunflower seed offered
and threw that to the ground. She then turned her head
in the 'head rub' posture, talked softly to me
requesting for headrubs instead.
A parrot is no unthinking robot. If we can agree the
parrot is intelligent, then it is important that they
can take an active part in the training. That our
training to them be modified by what they want us to
do as well, that at times, they may even be training
If we assume we are there only as commanders and they
as robots that must obey, or forced to obey us, we
look at them to see only if they obey us or not. If we
use that kind of mental approach, we will miss seeing
their body languages and behaviour to the cues we
give. We then only see that they did not obey without
ever seeing their body language as to why they do not
do so. We can try and try and try and blame everyone
for the failure and never know the reasons that our
parrots are trying to tell us about.
Such alpha wannabees can never ever have the joy and
warmth of a real friendship either.
In having and living with a flying parrot that can
never be forced, your only chance for success must be
based on friendship and equality with her. Only then
will you notice their body language and nuances with
the clarity that will come to you.
2. Parrots are empaths.
I am convinced that parrots sensed our emotions.
When I got back from the office, the reaction I got
from Tinkerbell will be different very much as if she
knew the mood I was in. If I felt the day was bad for
me, she would fly over to me and settle herself on my
shoulder to preen herself or my hair or give gentle
nibbles on my ear. I chill out with a drink with her
on best behaviour on my shoulder.
If I got back with a happy mood, she would fly to me
screaming at me. She then will snatch the packet of
cigarettes from my pocket and fly off to top of the
cupboard to tear them apart. She ignores all my "no"s.
As I recognised this as a game from her, I never
threatened her with the squirt gun. I chased her and
she allowed herself to be caught eventually. Or she
would snatched my keys , fly around looking for
Halftail the cat or Zorro my ferret to divebomb them
until I intervene.
I tried to fool her by pretending to be happy when I
was not or pretending to be sad. She read me correctly
at all times. Perhaps she may have seen our facial and
body expressions. Perhaps she may sense the emotions
at some other level.
This became a very important part in our interactions
and training. To think of training as some Pavlovian
conditionting demeans them and us.
When I train her and she did it well, I was happy of
course. I also project mentally to her of my happiness
and my words to her reflect that feeling of happiness.
If she did something that is REALLY BAD, I allow anger
and unhappiness to flow out of me to her. It is a
mistake and I believe very confusing to parrot to be
hypocritical in our actions and thoughts.
If you caught the parrot doing something bad that
displeases you, it is very important to be honest
about it to them. Sweet words and murderous thoughts
will be confusing to them. Which is another reason why
I mentioned earlier that if she did something bad and
you did not see that act being done, you should just
clean up or fix it and do not even think of it after
I am not advocating punishment or something fearful to
your parrot as part of any training. Tinkerbell is not
afraid of the squirt gun at all. She even love to play
games with me involving the squirt gun. She would do
something that she knew is 'bad' by my defination. She
even called out to me "Tinkerbell is a bad girl" to
let me know she was doing something bad. She knew the
gun must be aimed before it is effective. She would
wait until I almost aimed the gun at her before she
flew off rapidly and zigzag herself out of line of
fire to perch herself on top of the gun and bob at me
as if it was a big game.
She also trained me. When she was thirsty, there were
some very specific signals and calls that she wanted
water. Sometimes, I failed to notice her signals
especially if she was on my shoulder and I lost in
thoughts on other matters. My wife would notice her
signals but would keep quiet, out of her morbid
curiosity as to what she would do. Tinkerbell would
then nip my ear as if to call my attention, and then
repeat her request for water.
I do not ever think she was punishing me and her nips
were just to get my attention. For all I know, she may
have 'borrowed' that from me into her own way of
The relationship between Tinkerbell and me was a
feisty and robust one where we screamed together in
happiness and with a lot of play and laughter.
If your parrot is very sensitive and fearful, then you
must first win their confidence with patience. This is
something that you can do with clicker training that I
will talk more on later. I consider all aggressive
parrots to be very fearful and sensitive. I cannot
imagine any parrot biting you with deliberate malice.
They will give so many body signals that you may have
I mentioned before that you must not fear your parrot.
You can respect their beak, but must never fear them.
I do feel if you have fear for them, they may felt or
sensed or read your fear and misunderstood your fear
for them. The parrot may be even more frightened by
your fear and you end up getting bitten.
With warmest regards
Shanlung - lackey to all below
Joy - wife, Tinkerbell - CAG, daughter and love of my heart
Halftail the Bimbo - beautiful sweet silly cat
Zorro - ferret which loves parrot pellets
Bim and Zor are with other loving families now
Tinkerbell in safe keeping of Yu and family
I will remember them for the happy times they gave me
earlier emails and photo links on Tink -
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- 28.02.2005, 15:45 #9
Tinkerbell Legacy - Training of Vernal Hanging Parrot Rant 05
At 4 pm today 28 Feb, I got back from the Plain of Jars. I should write about that,
but something else occurred today that I should write about first.
An hour before the tour bus brought us back to Luang Prabang, I was thinking
about the two vernal hanging parrots that I observed in Somjith guest house that
I stayed in. Later closer observations showed that one of the parrot is clipped
and cannot fly. But by climbing about on the plants and fence, I earlier thought
it could fly as well. With the other parrot flying in and out with lots of activities
between those two, I did thought both could fly.
Often, the clipped parrot would be in its tiny cage. The flighted parrot periodically
dropped by. There was one particularly touching moment. The caged parrot exhausted the
food in its cage. The flighted parrot flew to the cage and regurgitate the food and fed
his mate in the cage.
Riding in the bus, I thought I try to make some differences for those two parrots. That
determined I will stay in Somjith GH again. As I went in, the landlord son, about 25 years old
greeted me with happiness. He told me my old room is available as I told him I would be back
today. I accepted, he took my bag up, and I ordered a cup of good Laos coffee from her sister. I will call him as LS
I had printed namecards with different pictures of Tinkerbell on it. Later, I realised I could not give
the namecards away without losing those picutres to show other people. He had seen those
pictures of Tinkerbell flying to me and he was so excited before I left for the plain of jars.
When he came down to me again, I asked him if he like me to advise him. He smiled from ear to ear
and nodded his head vigorously up and down. I told him about Tinkerbell web page
I told him details of the harness design and how to make it is located there with training.
I was determined to start LS on the road to friendship with his parrots. I then asked
him if his clipped parrot respond to "step up" and I explained to him the importance of this. His
eyes opened wide and LS said he never did such thing. I expected that answer from him. I have studied his clipped parrot when I could earlier.
She appeared to be a brave girl. I approached her when she was out of the cage. She would allow me to within a certain distance and then backed off from me. I reached my hand out slowly, she moved off slowly leaving a 2 foot gap. When I retrieved my hand, she came towards me following my hand. I thought she will be a good candidate to do " step up".
He got her out of the cage as requested holding her cupped between his palms. I asked him to release her and she clambered out of the palm to the forearm. I was softly talking to her all the time. I took a good look at her, noticed her beauty, and while thinking of her as a beautiful parrot with rich green feathers, I moved my right hand slowly to her with my index finger under her breast. I pressed on to her and said 'step up'. I pressed on slowly as if to move my finger and scooping her up. She responded hesitantly but she stepped up.
I complimented her and told her what a good girl she was and continued to talk to her. After a while, I used my left hand and asked her to step up again. She responded immediately. LS smiled and smiled at me. I explained to him to place his finger below her breast and sweep slowly while telling her to step up.
I could see he was eager and yet frightened to do so. His finger came hestitantly, and withdrew , and came on, and withdrew. He had a fear of getting bitten, and I sensed she sensed it too. Her danger signals were so obvious to me. That tiny girl lunged and took a nip at his finger. He withdrew in shock.
I explained to him he MUST not fear her as his own fear may trigger that response. I explain explicitly what he must do. I played with her and after a few minutes , he tried again. His action was firmer and when his finger came with that cue, I also rotated my finger so she had to step up on his finger.
His eyes lighted up with that simple move. I watched LS and the parrot played. I knew I will definately let both of them become good friends. I watched LS interactions and that parrot response. I showed him how to recognise when the parrot did not like his attempts to stroke her head and he must stopped if the parrot did not like it. I got her to step up on me. I told her slowly that she would love head rubs and extended my finger slowly to her tiny head. I lightly touched her and let go. I slowly repeated that and she liked it, extending her head to my finger. LS took over and was so delighted to do that.
He then tried repeated cues of step up. I told him that should not be done. I took her and showed him to do a 'step up' onto my shoulder. She was so small that I had no worries of bite to my face. I also know she would not do that to me. He was very excited again with this. LS got her back and introduced her to his shoulder.
I took her back. I deliberately placed my right index finger to her beak. I wanted to induce her to bite me. At that time, my right thumb was close to her beak as well. When she gave me a nip, I loudly told her "NO!" and at the same time, used the thumb to push her beak away before any damage could be done.
I then explained to him that he must take her out everyday and spend time with her. That he must do it in the morning, the afternoon and the evening. I exxplained to LS the relationships between friends. No punishment to be ever inflicted on her. If she did things that friends should not do, she must be told immediately. Just like what I had done when she bite me. She cannot fly now. But if ever she does, it is important to spend time with her now. I then placed her on a rattan basket on the table. To show that she could be placed down and she stayed and played on that basket. I pointed out to him he could hang that rattan fish trap from my balcony and she could play there and be near him.
He smiled and spoke to me with conviction in his voice that he will be doing that.
I smiled back too. I believe his relationship with the parrot will changed and she
will never go hungry and neglected again
I will see what he will do tomorrow.
- 02.03.2005, 12:07 #10
Tinkerbell Legacy - VH parrot and Clicker Training Rant 06
Tinkerbell Legacy - VH parrot and Clicker Training Rant 06
You MUST know more about clicker training. You can get more information
from two very good groups on clicker training for parrots. I urge you to join
one or both the groups below.
Today will be my last day in Luang Prabang. I will be going on a 5 day trip by river
and other transport deeper into less travelled regions of Laos. I wonder now
if I will find Internet cafes as well.
For earlier encounters and photos of that Vernal Hanging parrots, please refer to my blog
for entries prior to 26 Feb.
Yesterday was another day with LS and the VH parrot. He picked up the lesson very well. I am pleased
to report that it was much easier to take her out this time. He also decided to give her a name. Folks, she is now called TieuTieu. Tieu is Laotian for green. TT will refer to TieuTieu.
I told him that TT is likely to moult and be fully flighted within 3 months. He told me he will not clip the wings and take this 3 months period to try to bond tightly with her. Since the mate hang around making periodic visits to TT, LS was ready to have both of them as fliers with him or let them leave. As the VH parrots are local parrots, they will just go back to natural living. He agreed that with me after I spend an evening talking and indoctrinating him in clicker training. He recognised in clicker training he will have the tools to bond and do recalls with TT in the future. I made him repeat back to me in his own words to make sure he had the basics of clicker training as English is not his best language.
That brought me to clicker training. Clicker training is much more than what I will be writting here. That is why it is better for you to join the groups I mentioned above.
Your parrot may be frightened and bite you or bored and unable to communicate with you or you want to teach your parrot tricks to interact with her. You can also lead your parrot into new activities and new behaviours in place of behaviours you do not wish her to do. It is a truth enshrined in stone that you can never force a parrot to do what she does not wish to do. But you can teach her new behaviours that she likes to do instead.
Then you have little choice but to turn to clicker training.
What is clicker training. The best book to start with will the the book "Do not shoot the dog" written by Karen Pyror. Do get your hands on this book.
A clicker is an inexpensive toy that children play with. When you press this, it will make a loud clicking sound like that of a cricket. If you do not have a clicker, you can use anything that makes a consistent clicking sound like that of a ball point pen.
When you want your bird to do something. you must have the means to let your bird knows that what she is doing is correct and something that you wanted. You can just say 'good girl', or 'yes'. However, your voice may differ from time to time. You need a sound that will be exactly the same every time, and that is why you use the clicker especially at the very beginning. The clicker sound will be the cue to her that what she did was correct. The act of clicker training also meant you must observe her to a level you probably never did before. You will know more of her body language and behaviour then before.
At a different level, you are communicating directly to the bird. This communication works both ways to me. Your bird will also know you are trying to communicate to her and she can use this way to communicate to you. I go more into this later.
Any tricks you have seen performed consist of a series of actions. You can split the actions, train her one at a time. You indicate via the clicker that she is correct and later join those series of actions into an act that you can cue her to do.
Your parrot should be weaned and taking solid food before you do the clicker training.
KNOWING HER FAVOURITE FOOD.
After she is weaned and taking solid food, there must be something that she absolutely like to eat. Make a note of that and stop giving that to her regularly. Her favourite food will be kept separate from the rest of her diet and given to her as treats and when you are doing clicker training with her. This special food will be used for the next phase of what we term ' Conditioning the Clicker'.
It has been said that it is better to restrict the feeding of the parrot so she will be hungry and more ready to 'work' for her treats. When I first saw my Tinkerbell, she was digging in a dish of sunflower seeds husks chewed almost to powder. There and then, I made a mental promise that never ever will I let her be hungry again. She had food constantly available at all times. I never felt any problems with her. In case of misunderstanding from LS, I never let him know this point of food restriction. TT is so small and not likely to have much fat reserves. Food restriction is a fine line from starvation.
CONDITIONING OF THE CLICKER
Your parrot now need to know that the clicker, or more accurately, the sound of the clicker is a good sound. It does not matter if she is in or not in the cage. So if your parrot is a biter and kept in the cage, this is a good way to make peace with her.
You called her\his name, press the clicker, and give her a bit of her favourite food or treat. That is all to it.
Then you leave her alone or talk to her or play with her. After a while, you press the clicker and give her the treat again. At her level, she hears the clicker sound and she gets something she likes to eat. She will get the idea that the clicker sound is a good sound.
It does not matter if she does not come to you and in her cage. Press the clicker and place the treat in her bowl. You can talk to her or walk away.
Please do not view this as a form of Pavlovian conditioning. You demean your parrot as an unthinking automaton and you demean yourself. Are your university or other education a form of Pavlovian conditioning for yourself? This is your bridge to understanding with your parrot and a portal into her mind. At a later stage, you will realised that this clicker training is a portal into her mind.
You should not rush this process of conditioning the clicker. Neither should you remain too long at this stage.
For a minimum of a week, you will walk up to your parrot, call her name, click the clicker and give her a treat. That should be done at irregular intervals. This is to let your parrot knows that sound is a good sound. If your parrot is fearful of you at the beginning, I would think in a week or so, she will accept the treat from your hand without trying to bite you.
Since they are very intelligent you must move on are they may get bored. So not later than 2 weeks, you should move on to TOUCH TARGET.
Touch target is the next important exercise. You can get a small stick which will be called the target.
In many cases, you can use a chopstick. However as I do use chopsticks to eat with, that will not be a practical target for me. Tinkerbell may fly to me in the middle of a dinner to 'touch target\. As I seldom drink, I use a cocktail stirrer. But if you do that, make sure your friends request cocktails that are shaken and not stirred.
You hold that target near her head. Her normal reaction will be to bite that stick. You get ready for that. When her beak touches that stick, you click to let her know that her action is what you wanted, and then you give her the treat.
You noticed the timing is so important. Giving of treat is somewhat delayed. But by using the click just at the point of her action, she will know the action is what you want even if the food is given later.
This was what happened to me amd very significant to myself and may be interesting to you.
When I approached Tinkerbell for the first time with the target, I was slightly nervous about it.
I kept my mind quiet and extend my senses to her. I had been doing martial arts and meditation for many years and much into combat taijichuan.
What was striking was that she looked at the target, reached out to touch it, and I clicked just at that moment. She then looked at me, and at that point, I knew that she knew that I knew, as if for a moment, there was a mind to mind connection between the two of us, that I was trying to communicate to her. Later on when I get to distance recall training, I will talk more on this mind to mind.
I hope it may be the same with you. You are done with clicker conditioning and on the first use of the clicker to communicate intent. You just relax, place the target near her, and wait for her to touch it. When she does so and you click, maybe you can sense that too.
Do not forget to pour your happiness in your heart together with that clicker sound. I do not know, but I strongly suspect that matters as much if not more than the treat itself.
You then place your target a bit higher to make her stretch to touch target. You click and treat.
You place that target to the left, up, and down. You click and treat at all times.
This target and clicker will the the key to other training.
But I need to go and get ready for my long trip and I need to end now.