Abgekühltes Gekochtes Wasser
Diskutiere Abgekühltes Gekochtes Wasser im Vogelkrankheiten Forum im Bereich Allgemeine Foren; Hi William, we have two budgies and four cockatiels. So far, we have given them water from the tap. Although it's not like in Germany ...
- 06.09.2004, 16:44 #11
we have two budgies and four cockatiels. So far, we have given them water from the tap. Although it's not like in Germany they did not have any problems with it. One of our budgies was nearly 15 years old when it died.
As we have two baby cockatiels now, I do not use water from the tap. I assume their immune system is not that strong that the one from grown ups. I either boil the water and let it cool down or I use water bottles (non sparkling).
wir haben zwei Wellensittiche und vier Nymphensittiche. Bislang haben wir ihnen Leitungswasser gegeben. Obwohl es nicht mit deutschem Leitungswasser vergleichbar ist, hatten sie nie Probleme damit. Einer unserer Wellensittiche wurde fast 15 Jahre alt.
Wir haben jetzt zwei Nymphensittichkueken und verwende jetzt kein Leitungswasser mehr. Ich denke, dass deren Immunsystem noch nicht so stark ist. Ich koche das Wasser entweder ab und lasse es abkuehlen oder es gibt Wasser aus der Flasche (ohne Kohlensaeure).
- 06.09.2004, 17:36 #12
As far as I know, Giardia and Crytosporidium can make humans ill but Coccidia and Trichomonas do not. So Water Authorities are not bothered about filtering out the last two parasitic protozoans which can seriously make some bird species ill and even kill them.
Budgerigars [ Wellensittiche] are also vulnerable to Coccidia and Trichomonas.
It is possible however that German and Dubai Water Authorities can afford to use the most expensive filters and so are able to filter out even Coccidia and Trichomonas from the water. This could explain why you have had success with your budgerigars.
Thank you for your comment.
- 06.09.2004, 19:38 #13
Trinkwasser für Vögel
can it be only your birds is susceptible?
In the forum for African finch I found nothing from problems with water.
English drinking water will not be worse than German drinking water.
Our drinking water from the line is mixed with chlorine (Cl).
I give already for 15 years mean birds the water directly from the line
without it of it ill become.
kann es sein das nur Deine Vögel anfällig sind ?
Im Forum für Afrikanische Prachtfinken
habe ich nichts von Problemen mit Wasser gefunden.
Englisches Trinkwasser wird nicht schlechter sein als deutsches Trinkwasser.
Unser Trinkwasser aus der Leitung ist mit Chlor ( Cl ) versetzt.
Ich gebe schon seit 15 Jahren meinen Vögeln das Wasser direkt aus der Leitung ohne das sie davon krank werden.
- 06.09.2004, 21:18 #14
If you have got so many serious problems regarding the tap water, why don't you use still mineral water? It seems to be that there are too many bad organism in the tap water which you are using. Maybe it is a problem of filtering. In Germany there are a lot of strong national and local laws regarding tap water.
I think you can also boil the water. The most of the organsim (for example Trichomonaden) will definitely die off. But don' forget to offer your birds grit, lime and vitamins.
- 06.09.2004, 23:38 #15
Zitat von Dresdner
As an example, British birdkeepers have repeatedly reported that the following species are vulnerable to coccidiosis.
Gruenfink = Greenfinch = Carduelis chloris
Distelfink = Goldfinch = Carduelis carduelis
Birkenzeisig = Redpoll = Carduelis flammea cabaret
Buchfink = Chaffinch = Fringilla coelebs coelebs
I have asked at the Carduelid Forum here this same question.
DannyK was kind enough to give me the following very informative reply:
<< The young birds of Greenfinches and Chaffinches must be treated against coccidiosis before the moult begins, otherwise many of these young birds will die. Goldfinches and Redpolls do not need medicines and moult out without any problems.>>
So this means that either German tap water may still have some coccidia and Trichomonas living in it OR neither German or British tap water contain protozoans and the coccidia that the young Greenfinches have consumed do not come from tap water at all. I was going to visit the link you gave me in order to see what they had to say about protozoans in Dresden tap water but the page would not open. If you could email them regarding this, it could gives us more information.
Zitat von Dresdner
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- 06.09.2004, 23:41 #16
Thanks for your comment, Jasmin.
The problem is not restricted to me. Some bird species are vulnerable to parsitic protozoa and they happen to live in water. Boiling is the cheapest, most straightforward and certain method of killing all the disease organisms in water. Please read the reply I gave to Rainer.
- 07.09.2004, 10:50 #17
A couple of time ago my budgies had Trichomonaden. My vet told me that in the nature 80 % of the birds are Trichomonaden-affected without falling ill. I think it is the same with the domestic birds. Some are getting ill and some are Trichomonaden-resistant. But in any case those birds can be latent disease and pass it to non trichomonaden-resistant-birds.
At least there is no other possibility than to use boiled water.
- 07.09.2004, 13:28 #18Zitat von DieJasminII
Vigorously boiling tap water for 2 minutes should kill all the parasitic protozoa and other pathogens. If you then cool the water, you can put it in sterilized glass bottes and place these in the refrigerator. My idea is to give the cooled boiled water six days per week for drinking and give unboiled tap water once a week to stimulate the birds’ immune system to produce antibodies against any coccidia or protozoan species that are in the local tap water.
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- 07.09.2004, 15:02 #19Zitat von William Astor
I think the immune system is not able to produce antibodies against protozoan only against viruses. But I am not sure for the moment. I will ask my vet the next time.
- 07.09.2004, 15:52 #20Zitat von DieJasminII
Read all about Dr. Stabler’s experiments at: