Abgekühltes Gekochtes Wasser

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  1. #1 William Astor, 5. September 2004
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    Hello everyone,

    Who gives their birds cooled boiled water to drink ?
    Do you give boiled water for your birds to bathe in ?
    Do your birds suffer from Trichomonas, Cochlosoma, Atoxoplasma, Coccidia, Giardia from time to time ?

    Can you tell me how long you have given boiled water?
    What species do you keep ?

    Thank you.

    William

    Übersetzung Versuch Translation Attempt

    Hallo gibt jeder,

    Wer ihr Tiere abgekühltes gekochtes Wasser zum Getränk?
    Geben Sie gekochtes Wasser, damit Ihre Tiere innen baden?
    Leiden Ihre Tiere unter Trichomonas, Cochlosoma, Atoxoplasma, Kokzidia, Giardia von Zeit zu Zeit?

    Können Sie mir erklären, wie lang Sie gekochtes Wasser gegeben haben?
    Welche Arten halten Sie?

    Danke. William
     
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    Hi William,

    kann dir leider nur in deutsch antworten :~

    Ich habe noch nie abgekochtes Wasser gegeben - weder zum baden noch zum trinken.
    Das deutsche Trinkwasser wird mehr und besser kontrolliert als das Sprudel aus der Flasche und ich hatte auch noch nie Probleme damit:)
     
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    " Translation - Attempt "

    " Translation - Attempt "


    Hi William,

    Can You only answer into German.
    I have given water never boiled neither take a bath to this nor drink to which.
    The German drinking water gets more and improves mineral waters controlledly as this from the bottle and I never had problems with that, too


    Yours sincerely

    Sven :0-
     
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    Danke Dresdner:D
     
  6. #5 William Astor, 5. September 2004
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    Hi Sven,
    You keep grey parrots. Grey parrots are not vulnerable to the water living pathogens I mentioned. This explains why you have not had any problems with these pathogens.

    William

    Übersetzung Versuch Translation Attempt

    Sie halten graue Papageien. Graue Papageien sind nicht zu den lebenden Krankheitserregern des Wassers verletzbar, die ich erwähnte. Dieses erklärt, warum Sie keine Probleme mit diesen Krankheitserregern gehabt haben.
     
  7. Utena

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    Hallo William Astor!

    As soon as the wather was boils all bacteria have been killed.
    As an alternative for boiled wather you can serve the parrotes still mineral wather (mineral wather without CO 2)
     
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    The translation hopefully is understandable

    Hello William,

    as a holder of nymph parakeets I also don't know any illnesses due to bad water.
    In my opinion birds immune only weakened have endangeredly, at normal shoots to be died
    Triggers are pre-other pre-illnesses of the birds in my opinion.
    It is unusual to give boiled water since mineral cloths also needed are destroyed.
    Which bird species shall be endangered by normal drinking water in your opinion?

    Best regards Dresden :0-



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    Hallo William,

    als Halter von Nymphensittichen kenne ich ebenfalls keine Krankheiten aufgrund schlechten Wassers.
    Meiner Ansicht nach sind nur Immungeschwächte Vögel gefährdet, an normalen Keimen zu sterben.
    Auslöser sind meiner Meinung nach andere Vorerkrankungen der Vögel.
    Abgekochtes Wasser zu geben ist ungewöhnlich, da auch benötigte Mineralstoffe zerstört werden.
    Welche Vogelarten sollen durch normales Trinkwasser Deiner Meinung nach gefährdet sein?

    Viele Grüße aus Dresden :0-
     
  9. #8 William Astor, 6. September 2004
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    Hi Dresden,
    First of all, I will give you the correct English version of what you wrote as I understood it just in case you are interested. Correct me if you think I am wrong.
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    Hello William,
    As a cockatiel [Nymphensittichen] birdkeeper I also don't know of any illnesses due to bad water.
    In my opinion only immune weakened birds are in danger of dying due to normal germs [ Keimen ]. Triggers are latent germs that the birds are carrying in my opinion.
    It is unusual to give boiled water since mineral substances also needed are destroyed.
    Which bird species should be endangered by normal drinking water in your opinion?
    Best regards Dresden
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    Cockatiels [Nymphensittichen] are known to be vulnerable to a protozoan that live in water called Giardia lamblia. Luckily they do not appear to be vulnerable to the other protozoans that I mentioned. Do you know of this ?

    As far as I know, mineral substances in water are not destroyed by boiling except Calcium which forms an insoluble compound called calcium carbonate which is seen as a deposit in kitchen kettles.

    Some finch and estrildid species are vulnerable to water living protozoans like for example Coccidia and Trichomonas. I have good reason to think that these are abundant in tap water. In my opinion this is the reason why many finch birdkeepers have their young birds die of coccidiosis.

    William
     
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    Hello William

    I use a software for the translation . This one doesn't seem good to work. Be sorry.
    I must guess different words and meanings.

    Yours sincerely

    Dresdner

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    Zitat von Dresdner:

    Welche Vogelart sollte von normalem Trinkwasser Deiner Meinung nach gefährdet sein?
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    Leiden Ihre Tiere von Zeit zu Zeit unter Trichomonas, Cochlosoma, Atoxoplasma, Kokzidia oder Giardia?

    Wer hat damit Erfahrung?
     
  11. #10 William Astor, 6. September 2004
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    Yes. I have several African finch species and all of them show that they have coccidiosis in their droppings but only two species become fluffed every few months or so. I then have to treat them with antibiotics. But even so, they eventually die.

    Do you know of cockatiels that suffer from Giardia ?

    William

    Übersetzung Versuch Translation Attempt

    Ja. Ich habe einige afrikanische Prachtfinken Arten und alle zeigen, daß sie Kokzidiose in ihrem Vogeldreck haben, aber nur zwei Arten werden jede wenigen Monate oder so verpatzt [ = krank ]. Ich muß sie mit dann Antibiotika behandeln. Aber allerdings, sterben sie schließlich.
    Wissen Sie von den Nymphensittichen die unter Giardia leiden?

    http://dict.leo.org/
    http://babelfish.altavista.com/tr
     
  12. #11 EdHunter, 6. September 2004
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    Hi William,

    we have two budgies and four cockatiels. So far, we have given them water from the tap. Although it's not like in Germany they did not have any problems with it. One of our budgies was nearly 15 years old when it died.

    As we have two baby cockatiels now, I do not use water from the tap. I assume their immune system is not that strong that the one from grown ups. I either boil the water and let it cool down or I use water bottles (non sparkling).

    Hallo William,

    wir haben zwei Wellensittiche und vier Nymphensittiche. Bislang haben wir ihnen Leitungswasser gegeben. Obwohl es nicht mit deutschem Leitungswasser vergleichbar ist, hatten sie nie Probleme damit. Einer unserer Wellensittiche wurde fast 15 Jahre alt.

    Wir haben jetzt zwei Nymphensittichkueken und verwende jetzt kein Leitungswasser mehr. Ich denke, dass deren Immunsystem noch nicht so stark ist. Ich koche das Wasser entweder ab und lasse es abkuehlen oder es gibt Wasser aus der Flasche (ohne Kohlensaeure).
     
  13. #12 William Astor, 6. September 2004
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    Hello Gaby,
    As far as I know, Giardia and Crytosporidium can make humans ill but Coccidia and Trichomonas do not. So Water Authorities are not bothered about filtering out the last two parasitic protozoans which can seriously make some bird species ill and even kill them.

    Budgerigars [ Wellensittiche] are also vulnerable to Coccidia and Trichomonas.
    It is possible however that German and Dubai Water Authorities can afford to use the most expensive filters and so are able to filter out even Coccidia and Trichomonas from the water. This could explain why you have had success with your budgerigars.
    Thank you for your comment.

    William
    http://babelfish.altavista.com/tr
    http://dict.leo.org/
     
  14. #13 Dresdner, 6. September 2004
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    Trinkwasser für Vögel

    Hello William,

    can it be only your birds is susceptible?
    In the forum for African finch I found nothing from problems with water.
    English drinking water will not be worse than German drinking water.
    Our drinking water from the line is mixed with chlorine (Cl).
    I give already for 15 years mean birds the water directly from the line
    without it of it ill become.

    Yours sincerely

    Rainer

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    Hallo William,

    kann es sein das nur Deine Vögel anfällig sind ?
    Im Forum für Afrikanische Prachtfinken
    habe ich nichts von Problemen mit Wasser gefunden.
    Englisches Trinkwasser wird nicht schlechter sein als deutsches Trinkwasser.
    Unser Trinkwasser aus der Leitung ist mit Chlor ( Cl ) versetzt.
    Ich gebe schon seit 15 Jahren meinen Vögeln das Wasser direkt aus der Leitung ohne das sie davon krank werden.
     
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    Hi William,

    If you have got so many serious problems regarding the tap water, why don't you use still mineral water? It seems to be that there are too many bad organism in the tap water which you are using. Maybe it is a problem of filtering. In Germany there are a lot of strong national and local laws regarding tap water.

    I think you can also boil the water. The most of the organsim (for example Trichomonaden) will definitely die off. But don' forget to offer your birds grit, lime and vitamins.

    Best regards,
    Jasmin
     
  16. #15 William Astor, 7. September 2004
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    Hello Rainer,

    Not at all.
    As an example, British birdkeepers have repeatedly reported that the following species are vulnerable to coccidiosis.

    Gruenfink = Greenfinch = Carduelis chloris
    Distelfink = Goldfinch = Carduelis carduelis
    Birkenzeisig = Redpoll = Carduelis flammea cabaret
    Buchfink = Chaffinch = Fringilla coelebs coelebs

    I have asked at the Carduelid Forum here this same question.
    DannyK was kind enough to give me the following very informative reply:

    << The young birds of Greenfinches and Chaffinches must be treated against coccidiosis before the moult begins, otherwise many of these young birds will die. Goldfinches and Redpolls do not need medicines and moult out without any problems.>>

    So this means that either German tap water may still have some coccidia and Trichomonas living in it OR neither German or British tap water contain protozoans and the coccidia that the young Greenfinches have consumed do not come from tap water at all. I was going to visit the link you gave me in order to see what they had to say about protozoans in Dresden tap water but the page would not open. If you could email them regarding this, it could gives us more information.

    In my experience, the Schlegel Twinspots are really vulnerable. I have had many die due to Trichomonas and or Coccidia. For every cock that died, about 3 hens died for me. I must add that I have given them access to 24 hour bathing with an automatic water system that I built. Other African species did not become ill but the Schlegel adults became ill every 4 months or so. I diagnosed Trichomonas. They probably had coccidia as well.

    I doubt it. I have often heard that the quality of tap water in the UK is behind that of the European standard and it will be years before it will be of the required standard all over the UK. This would explain why British carduelid breeders report coccidiosis problems with their Goldfinches and Redpolls whereas DannyK says that you have no such problems with these 2 species in Germany.

    The chlorine may not be enough to kill the parasitic protozoans that affect birds but not humans. Filters of higher quality may be required to do this. It may also possible that if the water pipes themselves are old, they may have permanent protozoan colonies in them. The problem is that writing to the British Water Authority is of no real help because they are likely to say that they are using the most advanced filters and methods of purification and laying new pipes all the time. As far as I know there is no independent British agency that analyzes British tap water that can give me an analysis that I can trust. The only way I can do it is to pay for laboratory analysis myself over a period of weeks in order to get a good idea of the protozoans that are present in my local tap water.

    William
     
  17. #16 William Astor, 7. September 2004
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    Thanks for your comment, Jasmin.
    The problem is not restricted to me. Some bird species are vulnerable to parsitic protozoa and they happen to live in water. Boiling is the cheapest, most straightforward and certain method of killing all the disease organisms in water. Please read the reply I gave to Rainer.

    William
     
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    A couple of time ago my budgies had Trichomonaden. My vet told me that in the nature 80 % of the birds are Trichomonaden-affected without falling ill. I think it is the same with the domestic birds. Some are getting ill and some are Trichomonaden-resistant. But in any case those birds can be latent disease and pass it to non trichomonaden-resistant-birds.

    At least there is no other possibility than to use boiled water.

    Best regards,
    Jasmin
     
  19. #18 William Astor, 7. September 2004
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    Precisely so. Disease carrier birds do not fall ill but can infect birds that are not resistant to Trichomonas [ I will call them Trich-prone birds ] through the seed, greenfood and the water. I think the best strategy is to REDUCE THE AMOUNT of pathogens that can be present in tap water in order to give a much better chance for the immune system of the Trich-prone birds to produce antibodies against Trichomonas. Otherwise their immune system will become overburdened and the Trich-prone birds will fall ill and possibly die.

    Vigorously boiling tap water for 2 minutes should kill all the parasitic protozoa and other pathogens. If you then cool the water, you can put it in sterilized glass bottes and place these in the refrigerator. My idea is to give the cooled boiled water six days per week for drinking and give unboiled tap water once a week to stimulate the birds’ immune system to produce antibodies against any coccidia or protozoan species that are in the local tap water.

    William
     
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    I'm sorry but I think this is not a good idea. From my point of view the bird won't produce antibodies against Trichomonas or other protozoan. If the bird is healthy then the immune system is strong and the Trichomonas will not increase. But if the bird has for example an infection or an inflammation the Trichomonas will increase and the bird will fall ill.

    I think the immune system is not able to produce antibodies against protozoan only against viruses. But I am not sure for the moment. I will ask my vet the next time.

    Kind regards,
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  22. #20 William Astor, 7. September 2004
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    An American doctor Dr. Stabler made experiments on Trichomonas or Canker as it is also known and he was able to show that birds deliberately infected with mild strains of Trichomonas were able to survive later when infected with more deadly strains. This proves that birds can produce antibodies against Trichomonas.

    Read all about Dr. Stabler’s experiments at:

    http://www.ifpigeon.com/DR-WIER/canker-gordon_chalme.htm

    Kind regards,

    William
     
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